McCain’s first hand story of being a POW and some of my rants
Ok so I found this at Little Green Footballs:
Its a first hand account of John McCain’s time spent as a POW in Vietnam. I have always known he was s POW but I never knew the actual story behind his time. If you are a McCain supporter, or if you aren’t go read this story. I have taken the liberty of clipping some of the text out of the story, due to the fact a lot of what McCain said then is very relevant today. So we will start here and move forward. The italics is what McCain had to say, and my comments will be in green:
As you may know, back in 1954, the North Vietnamese had a big hand in toppling the French Government in Paris because the French voters had no more stomach for the Vietnam war their Government was waging at the time. That was the way the North Vietnamese won in 1954—they didn’t win in Vietnam.
The French agreed to pull out of Indo-China with no questions asked when they signed the agreement. As a result, they got back just one third of their POW’s.
I’m convinced that Hanoi hoped to win in our case by undermining morale among the people at home in America. They had to marshal world opinion on their side. I remember in 1968 or ’69 [North Vietnam Premier] Pham Van Dong’s speech to the National Assembly, because we were blasted with these things on the loud-speakers. The title of his address was, “The Whole World Supports Us,” not, “We Have Defeated the U. S. Aggressors,” or anything like that.
Now granted there aren’t a large amount of missing or POW troops in Iraq or Afgan, in fact I believe the only missing Solider Staff Sgt. Keith M. “Matt” Maupin has been found . Now I could be wrong on that statement, but lets move forward. If you read McCain’s words from 1973 you will see that the French “lost” the war because the French people got tired of the war. Now this was most likely brought on by anti-war protesters all of the country. Being as that was in 1954, and here we are in 2008 and the same thing is going on here. Anti-war groups are popping up everywhere spreading lies about the war and what is going on over there.
All through this period, the “gooks” were bombarding us with antiwar quotes from people in high places back in Washington. This was the most effective propaganda they had to use against us—speeches and statements by men who were generally respected in the United States. They used Senator Fulbright a great deal, and Senator Brooke. Ted Kennedy was quoted again and again, as was Averell Harriman. Clark Clifford was another favorite, right after he had been Secretary of Defense under President Johnson.
I find it amazing that in the 60’s during the Vietnam war, Senators were speaking out against it like it would not hurt those serving overseas. When the reality was that there words were actually doing the opposite, it was hurting those that were in the POW camps. And the fact that you have Ted Kennedy back then running his mouth against that war and here he is 40 years later doing again. (see my story about term limits, this is a prime example of why we need them!!). The soldiers in Iraq are hearing the same thing today, on a daily basis from the main stream media, from Senators and Congressmen, and even from a Presidential candidate that won’t even go to Iraq to visit the troops and see that the surge is working!!
The only reason why the North Vietnamese began negotiating in October, 1972, was because they could read the polls as well as you and I can, and they knew that Nixon was going to have an overwhelming victory in his re-election bid. So they wanted to negotiate a cease-fire before the elections.
Granted we are not fighting an enemy like the NVA, but the terrorists pay close attention to polls and to stories coming out of the U.S about the was in Iraq. And when they see and hear stories about the surge isn’t working, and there is a candidate that wants to pull the troops out as soon as he gets into office, this makes their will stronger to keep fighting. The AQI want nothing more then for Obama to win in November. With his win they will be able to wait for the troops to be pulled out and sit back and claim defeat against the strongest military in the world. This would not only be a blow to those serving in uniform but it would be a blow to the United States all over the world.
I admire President Nixon’s courage. There may be criticism of him in certain areas—Watergate, for example. But he had to take the most unpopular decisions that I could imagine—the mining, the blockade, the bombing. I know it was very, very difficult for him to do that, but that was the thing that ended the war. I think the reason he understood this is that he has a long background in dealing with these people. He knows how to use the carrot and the stick. Obviously, his trip to China and the Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty with Russia were based on the fact that we’re stronger than the Communists, so they were willing to negotiate. Force is what they understand. And that’s why it is difficult for me to understand now, when everybody knows that the bombing finally got a cease-fire agreement, why people are still criticizing his foreign policy—for example, the bombing in Cambodia.
The fact in 1969 Nixon was willing to stand up against the left, to stand up against the anti-war folks, and to see that the war in Vietnam would end the way it should have ended, is an inspiration that the next President needs to have. The fact that McCain in 1973 saw that what Nixon did help with the end of that war, leads me to believe he knows what is best for the course of actions in Iraq. The fact that the left has a candidate that doesn’t understand the military, doesn’t understand that history has a way or repeating itself if not learned, has way to many “friends” that are against this country scares the crap out of me!!
At this particular juncture, after Tet in 1968, they thought they had the war won. They had gotten General Westmoreland [commander of U.S. forces in South Vietnam] fired. They were convinced that they had wrecked Johnson’s chances for re-election. And they thought that they had the majority of the American people on their side. That’s why these guys were speaking very freely as to what their ambitions were. They were speaking prematurely, because they just misjudged the caliber of President Nixon.
Imagine if you will, AQI had not been almost totally destroyed with the surge last year. With that victory and the fact that there was an election happening the following year, and the main Anti-war candidate looked like a shoe in for the President would AQI not be doing the same thing? They would be all over the internet and the main stream media telling each and every one of us that they were winning that the great United States has been defeated, and now that we control Iraq it is time to move towards destroying Israel!!!!
I have heard there was one B-52 pilot who refused to fly the missions during the Christmas bombing. You always run into that kind. When the going gets tough, they find out their conscience is bothering them. I want to say this to anybody in the military: If you don’t know what your country is doing, find out. And if you find you don’t like what your country is doing, get out before the chips are down.
Now a lot of you out there on the left have had your panties all in a bunch about the war, and the fact there is a group IAVW that has certain people in that would rather desert their posts and not follow the commands they took an oath to follow scare the living shit out of me. The fact that McCain who was beaten on almost a daily basis had the courage to stand up for what was right, the courage to realize that he made the choice to fight (granted a lot of folks during Vietnam were drafted, McCain wasn’t nor are anybody that has served or is serving in the military now) . For those soldiers that say the war is wrong, that they “saw” war crimes, or heard about war crimes, or that they aren’t going to go back to Iraq,well here is my question to you: Why the fuck did you join the military? I mean did you think you were going to boy scout camp an get to march around with guns and sing camp fire songs?? I mean give me a break, I joined in 1997, there wasn’t a threat of war then, but I knew that when I signed my name, raised my hand and took the oath that there could be a war at anytime. The world changes to fast for there not to be. Hell there was a war 6 years prior to me enlisting!! So any of you morons at IVAW think that you have ground to stand on, have another thing coming for you. Because if you “saw” these crimes, or you took part in them you time is coming. If you didn’t report them you time is coming. If you are making false accusations to members of congress your time is coming. But what am I kidding non of you are brave enough to stand up, take the stand in a court room or Senate committee room, raise your right hand and take an oath to tell the truth and nothing but the truth!!
Remember, a handful of turncoats after the Korean War made a great majority of Americans think that most of the POW’s in conflict were traitors.
This last passage goes to all of the anti-war troops out there spreading false stories, telling lies about things that supposedly happened! Because of you, because of groups like IVAW you are making those of us that are proud of our service, that went and fought for their country with honor and same gave their lives to insure that the freedoms of this country would live on forever. you are making all of us look like a bunch of renegades, blood thirsty, and willing to do whatever we want as long as we got home. Whenever you decide to speak and if I am around I will make sure to bring my Bull Shit Card to throw out! If you want to make a difference then do it under oath, bring evidence to the table, give names and locations, and dates the things you speak about happened. Until then crawl back under the rocks you came out from, enjoy the college education your country can and will provide for you, and let it go. So you had a rough year in Iraq or you had to do more then one tour, suck it up. The military isn’t a fucking cake walk, and neither is war!!!
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